The View is nothing if not lively, but this time it was more than a little exciting. All four women participated in the conversation about poverty. Yet for one woman, it quickly became personal.
While the Civil War of the 1800s was about race and slavery, a full one-third of Americans believe that the United States is currently on the brink of another Civil War.
The View co-host Sunny Hostin kicked of the discussion about race in the United States, noting that 33 percent of the nation’s people think the country could be on the edge of a second Civil War. She pointed to historian Jon Meacham’s latest book on American history, The Soul of America: The Battle for Our Better Angels:
‘They see that we’re going backwards and it’s about otherism. It’s now about immigrants and Muslims. We’re very much in that culture war. Black children were separated from their families throughout centuries. Let’s face it, a second Civil War, we are in the grasp of a Civil War now. A culture war.’
Joy Behar thought that the situation involved “white elites and their supporters are fearful black and brown people will be the majority.” She said “it’s all fear-based:”
‘It’s getting to be more and more, and this is the fear that is — they are stoking the fear of these supporters, that racist fear. Your white privilege is going to be taken away. It’s all fear-based. We live in New York City, OK? In New York City, every color of the rainbow gets along just fine.’
She continued, saying that the situation was not limited to the U.S. alone. She said Europe, especially Italy, had “fear-mongering at the top:”
‘It’s so upsetting to see it happening there. There’s fear-mongering going on at the top. They’re telling people, “Oh they’re coming from Africa, and they are going to take over your country.” It’s so sickening to see this happen, and this is what is driving it. It’s fear, fear, fear. So, remember that.’
Meghan McCain interrupted with the thought that she appreciated the panel’s belief in the culture war, given that she believed that it had not before. McCain commented that the situation was about race and poverty:
‘Some of this is about race. I think we can concede this, but a lot of this is about poverty. Which again, seems to be missed in the mainstream media. When you are living in a tiny town in America and your coal mine or steel mine went under and opiate addiction is raging in your town, and you can’t pay your insurance, and you can’t pay –’
Goldberg interrupted, wondering aloud if McCain equated “black people” with poverty:
‘It sounds like black people, you know? I don’t mean that in a crazy way.’
Then, McCain called the remark a “cheap shot:”
‘I adore you as you know. But that was a cheap shot. I’m trying to explain.’
Goldberg tried to explain that poverty was everywhere:
‘Oh, no, no, no. I know what you were trying to do. I get it. That’s why I said it with a smile because people — poor people are everywhere. It’s not just whites.’
McCain tried to make her point:
‘I’m trying to explain. I have been to these places.’
Goldberg grew up in poverty, and so her words were poignant:
‘So have I, Meghan. We have both been there. We know.’
McCain also noted Jon Meacham’s book warned Trump would be re-elected unless Democrats learned some important lessons quickly.